Comments on: Derby and the History of Prem Relegation http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html League Football, Soccer News and Views from Around the World Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:45:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: surge79uwf http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-125503 surge79uwf Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:41:20 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-125503 In the US I know an amateur league in SC that does it, plus the NYC high school system does pro/rel, though clearly you can't expect high schools to advance further or the same players to stay every season! Also, the money thrown around by the big Premier clubs just isn't reaching the Football League anymore. I want the First Division back - but I know it won't happen unless Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool et al overspend so much that their house of cards collapses and everyone else gets a chance to rise. But Sir Alex won't last forever, so I will have to wait until I'm 110 (if I ever get there) to compare the progress made by the Premier with the old First Division turnover. In the US I know an amateur league in SC that does it, plus the NYC high school system does pro/rel, though clearly you can’t expect high schools to advance further or the same players to stay every season!

Also, the money thrown around by the big Premier clubs just isn’t reaching the Football League anymore. I want the First Division back – but I know it won’t happen unless Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool et al overspend so much that their house of cards collapses and everyone else gets a chance to rise. But Sir Alex won’t last forever, so I will have to wait until I’m 110 (if I ever get there) to compare the progress made by the Premier with the old First Division turnover.

]]> By: Daryl http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118439 Daryl Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:30:22 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118439 Someone recently suggested to me an extra reason why playoff teams tend to struggle in the Premier League after promotion. Not only are they theoretically worse then the two (or potentially five) Championship teams who finished above them, they also have less time to prepare for the Premiership then the other two teams. The eventual playoff winners don't know which division they'll be playing in next season until after the playoff final, whereas the first and second place teams could potentially know what next season holds weeks beforehand and start planning accordingly. Someone recently suggested to me an extra reason why playoff teams tend to struggle in the Premier League after promotion. Not only are they theoretically worse then the two (or potentially five) Championship teams who finished above them, they also have less time to prepare for the Premiership then the other two teams. The eventual playoff winners don’t know which division they’ll be playing in next season until after the playoff final, whereas the first and second place teams could potentially know what next season holds weeks beforehand and start planning accordingly.

]]> By: Tybalt http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118322 Tybalt Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:39:54 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118322 If West Brom had been promoted this year, they'd likely be setting a PL record for goals conceded. They have been utterly unable to distinguish themselves (by results) from the morass of quite mediocre teams at the top of the championship - Watford, Hull, Bristol City, Stoke... I'm afraid that while the Baggies are a pretty team, they're not a good one. If West Brom had been promoted this year, they’d likely be setting a PL record for goals conceded. They have been utterly unable to distinguish themselves (by results) from the morass of quite mediocre teams at the top of the championship – Watford, Hull, Bristol City, Stoke… I’m afraid that while the Baggies are a pretty team, they’re not a good one.

]]> By: timmyg http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118220 timmyg Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:10:07 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118220 I think a lot of people will agree that the playoff final last season was the worst thing that could've happened to both Derby and West Brom. For the Baggies, they blew their chance at eventually becoming a decent prem side. For the Rams, they jumped up too soon and are now a shadow (seriously, I think they've had the highest turnover in the past 10 months than any other club) of their former selves. So although I agree with your statement, that little nugget of information is quite vital. I think a lot of people will agree that the playoff final last season was the worst thing that could’ve happened to both Derby and West Brom. For the Baggies, they blew their chance at eventually becoming a decent prem side. For the Rams, they jumped up too soon and are now a shadow (seriously, I think they’ve had the highest turnover in the past 10 months than any other club) of their former selves.

So although I agree with your statement, that little nugget of information is quite vital.

]]> By: Ian Rose http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118147 Ian Rose Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:11 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118147 There's no current promotion / relegation system in the US, at any level. Technically, there is a system in place for promotion from USL2 (the third tier of US soccer) to USL1 (just below MLS), but it has never really been used. For now, the only real relegation in the US is by teams that want to play in a lower league because they can't afford to play in a higher one. Even if it was just at the lower, amateur levels, it would be a great thing to try to implement. There’s no current promotion / relegation system in the US, at any level. Technically, there is a system in place for promotion from USL2 (the third tier of US soccer) to USL1 (just below MLS), but it has never really been used. For now, the only real relegation in the US is by teams that want to play in a lower league because they can’t afford to play in a higher one. Even if it was just at the lower, amateur levels, it would be a great thing to try to implement.

]]> By: mike http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118144 mike Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:08:28 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118144 Good discussion, Ian. I know there is no promotion/relegation in the US with MLS, but is there anything like it here with our lower echelons of soccer? Good discussion, Ian. I know there is no promotion/relegation in the US with MLS, but is there anything like it here with our lower echelons of soccer?

]]> By: Ian Rose http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118127 Ian Rose Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:46:31 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118127 I guess my point is that they weren't just the worst of the teams, but they didn't even technically have to finish third. Several of the clubs that have been promoted in the past have been fifth or sixth placed teams, that just had a nice run at the right time, and that's just not that great of a preparation for the Premier League. I guess my point is that they weren’t just the worst of the teams, but they didn’t even technically have to finish third. Several of the clubs that have been promoted in the past have been fifth or sixth placed teams, that just had a nice run at the right time, and that’s just not that great of a preparation for the Premier League.

]]> By: Empshel http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118125 Empshel Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:38:32 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/leagues/england/english-premiership/derby-and-the-history-of-prem-relegation.html#comment-118125 The numbers make perfect sense because, based upon Championship performance, the playoff winner is the worst of the teams entering the Premiership. Derby didn't have "the cards stacked against them." They were just the team that was least able to make a hand with the cards that they held. The numbers make perfect sense because, based upon Championship performance, the playoff winner is the worst of the teams entering the Premiership. Derby didn’t have “the cards stacked against them.” They were just the team that was least able to make a hand with the cards that they held.

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