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	<title>Comments on: FIFA Says &#8220;Screw the EU, We&#8217;re Voting for 6+5&#8243;</title>
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		<title>By: Ak</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130861</link>
		<dc:creator>Ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, nothing&#039;s impossible; hell, I even think England will win a world cup within my lifetime! And you may be right in that FIFA&#039;s Monty Burns-esque lawyers will use the vagaries of the article to their advantage; but I have to echo Ian: I think it&#039;s a textbook reactionist solution to the &quot;problem&quot; of those dastardly foreigners, which I&#039;d be surprised if the EU will accept. Speaking of UEFA, Platini did distance himself from the proposal the last I heard; but, then again, who knows what goes on behind those decidedly opaque doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, nothing&#8217;s impossible; hell, I even think England will win a world cup within my lifetime! And you may be right in that FIFA&#8217;s Monty Burns-esque lawyers will use the vagaries of the article to their advantage; but I have to echo Ian: I think it&#8217;s a textbook reactionist solution to the &#8220;problem&#8221; of those dastardly foreigners, which I&#8217;d be surprised if the EU will accept. Speaking of UEFA, Platini did distance himself from the proposal the last I heard; but, then again, who knows what goes on behind those decidedly opaque doors.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130853</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s impossible.  If I thought it was completely impossible, it wouldn&#039;t be worth worrying or talking about.  I&#039;m just of the opinion that it&#039;s a bad idea and is very unlikely.  Still, huge extra points for use of the word &quot;squadoosh&quot;, probably my new favorite word for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s impossible.  If I thought it was completely impossible, it wouldn&#8217;t be worth worrying or talking about.  I&#8217;m just of the opinion that it&#8217;s a bad idea and is very unlikely.  Still, huge extra points for use of the word &#8220;squadoosh&#8221;, probably my new favorite word for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130852</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit I know squadoosh about EU &quot;freedom of movement&quot; laws.  But it looks to me like it is purposefully vague and non-specific, which means that greased palms and smoke-filled rooms are going to &quot;help&quot; the lawyers make the decision here.  If you think 6+5 is impossible, you may be mistaken.  UEFA has a losing record already with the EU, so I doubt they would try something knowing all along it is a lost cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit I know squadoosh about EU &#8220;freedom of movement&#8221; laws.  But it looks to me like it is purposefully vague and non-specific, which means that greased palms and smoke-filled rooms are going to &#8220;help&#8221; the lawyers make the decision here.  If you think 6+5 is impossible, you may be mistaken.  UEFA has a losing record already with the EU, so I doubt they would try something knowing all along it is a lost cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Ak</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130851</link>
		<dc:creator>Ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that glitters is not gold. Matt, a red card doesn&#039;t restrict a player&#039;s freedom of movement, so it&#039;s not comparable: the argument is not of labour rights in general, but of ones with respect to freedom of movement.

It&#039;s a good point that the proposed rule affects the number of players allowed on the pitch, and not in the squads; but I still think you&#039;re mistaken: it *is* an employment restriction. An EU player is paid in order to provide a service to the club: that (s)he must be able (but not guaranteed) to play competitive matches (and to undertake necessary training, maintain fitness levels...whatever). That is a contract that binds employer and employee: the player expects to be eligible to play matches except where (s)he cannot be reasonably expected to do so based on form, fitness, tactics, etc. One of those exceptions cannot, however, be nationality (simply because the EC treaty says so). Regardless of the how small the rule affects his/her chances of ultimately playing a game, if it does so in any way at all, it will violate EU law: that particular article about freedom of movement is deliberately non-specific in how it defines &quot;employment&quot;.

I agree with Ian in that steps to restrict general social or cultural evolutions rarely, if ever, succeed: I just don&#039;t see FIFA having a case here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that glitters is not gold. Matt, a red card doesn&#8217;t restrict a player&#8217;s freedom of movement, so it&#8217;s not comparable: the argument is not of labour rights in general, but of ones with respect to freedom of movement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good point that the proposed rule affects the number of players allowed on the pitch, and not in the squads; but I still think you&#8217;re mistaken: it *is* an employment restriction. An EU player is paid in order to provide a service to the club: that (s)he must be able (but not guaranteed) to play competitive matches (and to undertake necessary training, maintain fitness levels&#8230;whatever). That is a contract that binds employer and employee: the player expects to be eligible to play matches except where (s)he cannot be reasonably expected to do so based on form, fitness, tactics, etc. One of those exceptions cannot, however, be nationality (simply because the EC treaty says so). Regardless of the how small the rule affects his/her chances of ultimately playing a game, if it does so in any way at all, it will violate EU law: that particular article about freedom of movement is deliberately non-specific in how it defines &#8220;employment&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree with Ian in that steps to restrict general social or cultural evolutions rarely, if ever, succeed: I just don&#8217;t see FIFA having a case here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130850</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A red card is not a labor issue.  A red card issued because a player is from a certain country ... that&#039;s a different matter.  You&#039;re saying that players can be hired from anywhere, as long as they don&#039;t start, but that&#039;s still discrimination.  It&#039;s also FIFA sticking their hands in management decisions.  If a player is on the squad, it has to be up to the manager to decide whether or not he starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A red card is not a labor issue.  A red card issued because a player is from a certain country &#8230; that&#8217;s a different matter.  You&#8217;re saying that players can be hired from anywhere, as long as they don&#8217;t start, but that&#8217;s still discrimination.  It&#8217;s also FIFA sticking their hands in management decisions.  If a player is on the squad, it has to be up to the manager to decide whether or not he starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda like it, and I do not see the EU legal troubles being so hard to beat.  A club can have as many players from wherever it wants.  It is not an employment restriction.  The EU cannot tell UEFA what it can and cannot require on matchdays.  Is a red-card disqualification a labor issue?  Players will still get paid, no matter where they are from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda like it, and I do not see the EU legal troubles being so hard to beat.  A club can have as many players from wherever it wants.  It is not an employment restriction.  The EU cannot tell UEFA what it can and cannot require on matchdays.  Is a red-card disqualification a labor issue?  Players will still get paid, no matter where they are from.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130845</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By restricting clubs from taking on international players, FIFA is trying to move in the direction opposite of globalization, but so far, there have been very few successes in doing that, by anyone.  Globalization has some very negative aspects, but it&#039;s just the way things are now.  Whether FIFA (and we) like it or not, football is a global sport with a global market for talent, and that is not something that&#039;s going to change.  Personally, I like it that way, even though I know it makes it more difficult for the little club I support to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By restricting clubs from taking on international players, FIFA is trying to move in the direction opposite of globalization, but so far, there have been very few successes in doing that, by anyone.  Globalization has some very negative aspects, but it&#8217;s just the way things are now.  Whether FIFA (and we) like it or not, football is a global sport with a global market for talent, and that is not something that&#8217;s going to change.  Personally, I like it that way, even though I know it makes it more difficult for the little club I support to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.theoffside.com/polls/fifa-says-screw-the-eu-were-voting-for-65.html#comment-130843</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a great rule, but perhaps it should be left up to the individual soccer associations to decide if it&#039;s right for their leagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a great rule, but perhaps it should be left up to the individual soccer associations to decide if it&#8217;s right for their leagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MLS teams fight it every year, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLS teams fight it every year, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the MLS and Australia&#039;s A-League already have similar quotas in place, wouldn&#039;t it be a good idea to start fighting against those quotas to support the EU in their fight against the mad Swiss dictator? Otherwise it would be a bit hypocritical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the MLS and Australia&#8217;s A-League already have similar quotas in place, wouldn&#8217;t it be a good idea to start fighting against those quotas to support the EU in their fight against the mad Swiss dictator? Otherwise it would be a bit hypocritical.</p>
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