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		<title>By: Dustin Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other was the Abidal sending-off. Pure simulation by Anelka.&quot;

I really don&#039;t think so. Abidal ran over the back of Anelka&#039;s legs, in full stride just a nick cause his other leg to bump into itself. Abidal admitted that he fouled him, and Anelka was on his way to goal hence the red card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other was the Abidal sending-off. Pure simulation by Anelka.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think so. Abidal ran over the back of Anelka&#8217;s legs, in full stride just a nick cause his other leg to bump into itself. Abidal admitted that he fouled him, and Anelka was on his way to goal hence the red card.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleeeease don&#039;t add video replay. Once you go down that path eventually it&#039;ll just be the NFL and it&#039;ll take four hours to complete a 90 minute game. I love soccer in part because it keeps going. Because throw ins are so casual, indirect free kicks too to an extent. 

The only league where I think video replay is fine is the NHL. They only use it on goals, everything else is as the ref saw it. I think that is fine but still sometimes play stops for 10 minutes to figure out if the puck crossed the line.

I also didn&#039;t think it was a terribly reffed match. Was it sloppy? Yes. But what can we expect. When fouls are being thrown around so rapidly you&#039;ve got a greater chance of getting at least one or two were wrong but I tend to give the ref a break. They really do have a ridiculous job. Those that really try to play it fair and by the book but with sensitivity to the situation are doing it right but sometimes the game can slip and emotions make things more complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleeeease don&#8217;t add video replay. Once you go down that path eventually it&#8217;ll just be the NFL and it&#8217;ll take four hours to complete a 90 minute game. I love soccer in part because it keeps going. Because throw ins are so casual, indirect free kicks too to an extent. </p>
<p>The only league where I think video replay is fine is the NHL. They only use it on goals, everything else is as the ref saw it. I think that is fine but still sometimes play stops for 10 minutes to figure out if the puck crossed the line.</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t think it was a terribly reffed match. Was it sloppy? Yes. But what can we expect. When fouls are being thrown around so rapidly you&#8217;ve got a greater chance of getting at least one or two were wrong but I tend to give the ref a break. They really do have a ridiculous job. Those that really try to play it fair and by the book but with sensitivity to the situation are doing it right but sometimes the game can slip and emotions make things more complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot-on, Daryl. It&#039;s transparency we need.

Øvrebø had a poor match, but not that bad. I think a favoritism for Barça was in the general air all over the world -- principally due to Chelsea&#039;s approch to the 1st Leg (and it registered in our LiveBlog coverage).

Mr Ø probably had the feeling clanking about in his subconscious and was loath to give Chelsea a significant decision.

I felt the worsed decisions were the Pique handball, which was clearly a loss of an earned-advantage by Chelsea despite being ball-to-hand. A penalty, if seen. The other was the Abidal sending-off. Pure simulation by Anelka.

The point I haven&#039;t seen made which favors Mr Ø is that by diving all over Christendom, Drogba &amp; Anelka make a technically difficult job by the Referee EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. The cannot be trusted **NOT** to simulate and so a refs bias to only award CLEAR DISADVANTAGE TO THEMSELVES is assured &amp; reinforced.

Drogba&#039;s character has boomeranged upon him and I am glad to see Chelsea&#039;s murmerings without hesitation that he&#039;s going on the trading block (though I wonder if their firm price doesn&#039;t refelect a lack a bit of sincerety ... sort of takes QPR &amp; Sheffield United out of the running). It&#039;s good for Chelsea to cut right to the chase and move on to next year. 

Moreover, roll tape: I feel Lampard was disgusted by his colleagues performances and will agree that the disadvantage to Chelsea was self-inflicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on, Daryl. It&#8217;s transparency we need.</p>
<p>Øvrebø had a poor match, but not that bad. I think a favoritism for Barça was in the general air all over the world &#8212; principally due to Chelsea&#8217;s approch to the 1st Leg (and it registered in our LiveBlog coverage).</p>
<p>Mr Ø probably had the feeling clanking about in his subconscious and was loath to give Chelsea a significant decision.</p>
<p>I felt the worsed decisions were the Pique handball, which was clearly a loss of an earned-advantage by Chelsea despite being ball-to-hand. A penalty, if seen. The other was the Abidal sending-off. Pure simulation by Anelka.</p>
<p>The point I haven&#8217;t seen made which favors Mr Ø is that by diving all over Christendom, Drogba &amp; Anelka make a technically difficult job by the Referee EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. The cannot be trusted **NOT** to simulate and so a refs bias to only award CLEAR DISADVANTAGE TO THEMSELVES is assured &amp; reinforced.</p>
<p>Drogba&#8217;s character has boomeranged upon him and I am glad to see Chelsea&#8217;s murmerings without hesitation that he&#8217;s going on the trading block (though I wonder if their firm price doesn&#8217;t refelect a lack a bit of sincerety &#8230; sort of takes QPR &amp; Sheffield United out of the running). It&#8217;s good for Chelsea to cut right to the chase and move on to next year. </p>
<p>Moreover, roll tape: I feel Lampard was disgusted by his colleagues performances and will agree that the disadvantage to Chelsea was self-inflicted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Weston: I for one hope never to subject the game of soccer to horrifyingly boring instant replays.
@ Yulles: It&#039;s not that UEFA believes that their referees are always right. It&#039;s that they are traditionalist. They want to leave everything on the field and move on, not harp on about this and that call constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Weston: I for one hope never to subject the game of soccer to horrifyingly boring instant replays.<br />
@ Yulles: It&#8217;s not that UEFA believes that their referees are always right. It&#8217;s that they are traditionalist. They want to leave everything on the field and move on, not harp on about this and that call constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Yulles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yulles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is that UEFA views the referee&#039;s decision as &quot;sacrosanct&quot;.  But they are human and they make mistakes.  Now 2 players are going to sit out of the final for red cards they didn&#039;t deserve.  At least within the English FA they allow these to be reviewed after the fact.  But UEFA won&#039;t do that.  They believe their refs can&#039;t make mistakes.  As a result, people get more upset when they do make mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is that UEFA views the referee&#8217;s decision as &#8220;sacrosanct&#8221;.  But they are human and they make mistakes.  Now 2 players are going to sit out of the final for red cards they didn&#8217;t deserve.  At least within the English FA they allow these to be reviewed after the fact.  But UEFA won&#8217;t do that.  They believe their refs can&#8217;t make mistakes.  As a result, people get more upset when they do make mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we have replays for refs like in other sports? It&#039;s a win-win situation really. Refs don&#039;t get harassed for getting it wrong and fans don&#039;t have to put up with crap decisions if there is video evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we have replays for refs like in other sports? It&#8217;s a win-win situation really. Refs don&#8217;t get harassed for getting it wrong and fans don&#8217;t have to put up with crap decisions if there is video evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: timmyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t this always been MLS&#039; mantra though?

The, &quot;Yeah, the [fill in instance: trades, Galaxy favoring, pay structure] doesn&#039;t make any sense but at least we admit it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t this always been MLS&#8217; mantra though?</p>
<p>The, &#8220;Yeah, the [fill in instance: trades, Galaxy favoring, pay structure] doesn&#8217;t make any sense but at least we admit it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I didn&#039;t know this was going up and &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattle.theoffside.com/team-news/is-mlss-refereeing-transparency-promoting-diving.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just published a post&lt;/a&gt; on the downside of this -- the fact that the players know exactly what the refs have been told to focus on and are &quot;embellishing&quot; accordingly.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I didn&#8217;t know this was going up and <a href="http://seattle.theoffside.com/team-news/is-mlss-refereeing-transparency-promoting-diving.html" rel="nofollow">just published a post</a> on the downside of this &#8212; the fact that the players know exactly what the refs have been told to focus on and are &#8220;embellishing&#8221; accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree Daryl. 

MLS is not treated as the life and death that the European football games are treated as. Making this public will just end up angering the fans even more and probably on result in a higher death threat count. 

Basically, the emotions in MLS arent running as high so those reports can be looked at relatively objectively. Can we expect the same in Europe? And lets be honest, the media only makes it worse by almost encouraging this behavior. The other problem is that if they start making these public and every ref is bound to have a bad game or two, whenever, if ever a ref has a bad game, the media and the fans want him banished from the game forever. The pressure to get rid of a ref after one bad game would leave us with no refs at all. It really is the equivalent of selling a player if they had one bad game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree Daryl. </p>
<p>MLS is not treated as the life and death that the European football games are treated as. Making this public will just end up angering the fans even more and probably on result in a higher death threat count. </p>
<p>Basically, the emotions in MLS arent running as high so those reports can be looked at relatively objectively. Can we expect the same in Europe? And lets be honest, the media only makes it worse by almost encouraging this behavior. The other problem is that if they start making these public and every ref is bound to have a bad game or two, whenever, if ever a ref has a bad game, the media and the fans want him banished from the game forever. The pressure to get rid of a ref after one bad game would leave us with no refs at all. It really is the equivalent of selling a player if they had one bad game.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was always an us-against-the-world mentality.&quot;

What should be expected when there&#039;s threats on someones life? I&#039;m all for referee explanations and understanding. However if refs are continued to be not just hated but threatened, then you don&#039;t deserve referees that walk out on the field for the job. Then you can try to have the game without a referee, and maybe people would stop violently fouling and diving all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was always an us-against-the-world mentality.&#8221;</p>
<p>What should be expected when there&#8217;s threats on someones life? I&#8217;m all for referee explanations and understanding. However if refs are continued to be not just hated but threatened, then you don&#8217;t deserve referees that walk out on the field for the job. Then you can try to have the game without a referee, and maybe people would stop violently fouling and diving all over the place.</p>
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