Cash-Happy Fans: Would you care if Saddam owned your club?

By: Sarah | July 24th, 2010
   

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“Football fans don’t care. The players don’t care. Saddam Hussein could own your football club and, if he’s putting millions into it, they’ll be quite happy. They’ll be singing: ‘There’s only one Saddam’”.

- Harry Redknapp when asked about Manchester City

Let’s just address the elephant(s) in the room.

First:  This is a quote from Harry Redknapp on ethical money transactions.  This is a quote from a man allegedly being tried for tax evasion this Fall mocking fans for choosing money over ethics.  I can assure you, the irony is not lost on me.

Second:  Besides this comment being (clearly) racially-loaded, it reeks of bias.  I doubt it is just a mere coincidence that Redknapp happened to choose a man who is reputed (allegedly) to have committed every crime under the sun to achieve victory to compare the owners of the club nipping at the Spur’s heels for the EPL’s 4th place Europe spot.  And while the origins of Saddam Huessin and Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan aren’t exactly identical- United Arab Emirates and Iraq are in fact two very different countries- these cultural distinctions may be lost on some….

Alright, now that we’ve got those two disclaimers (and necessary slapping of the wrists) out of the way, we can actually get into the meat of the discussion.  Because, despite Redknapp’s complete lack of self-awareness and cultural sensitivity here, he brings up a question worth discussing:  What lengths are (us) fans willing to support to win?  And if we win, are we willing to ask questions?

Clearly, as a fan of Olympique de Marseille, I’m no stranger to clubs ditching fair, ethical tactics in favor of corruption to win (if this doesn’t ring a bell, google Bernard Tapie).  And though FIFA insists they are cracking down on corruption and UEFA is contemplating putting financial regulations in place to reduce financial irregularities- I think most clubs probably bend the rules of how a club should conduct their business (legal or not).

To get the conversation started, here are just a few examples that fall in to a “grey area” where clubs have arguably not broken the law or regulations of football’s governing body- but are clearly intended to subvert fair play.

So, would you support your club if they were willing to stoop this low to win?

Example 1: Barcelona are stepping dangerously close to the edge of tapping up regarding Cesc Fabregas (or perhaps have crossed it according to some)- perhaps even using their own players as pawns to persuade or pressure Cesc into moving to Barcelona;

Example 2: A family connection between two Ligue 1 clubs (Lille Chairman Michel Seydoux and Lyon stockholder Jerome Seydoux are brothers) have helped the two clubs not only solidify transfer between each other but block transfers elsewhere;

Example 3: A number of clubs across many leagues have flirted with economic disaster by taking on enormous debts and loans to cover the cost of huge transfer fees and enormous payrolls.  (Portsmouth, Liverpool, Manchester United, Barcelona have all either been suspected or admitted to financial strains and questionable economic decisions.  The future of a number of these clubs is now in question as they may face financial regulations from UEFA or worse- bankrupcy;

Example 4: On the end of the spectrum, a number of privately owned clubs such as Chelsea or Manchester City have engaged in the same type of spending- but have the luxury of having their debts wiped clean by their wealthy owners.  With this priviledge, clubs are unlikely to develop financial sustainable practices for the long-term future and clearly advantage teams with such resources.


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  • canterano
    lol. just looking at the title, Barcelona fans actually love that a guy with intentions of independence runs their club.
  • edgar
    Tom: No one on their right mind would say that they didn't want to stay when there hasn't been an official agreement with the other preferred company. Fabregas has been a professional, respecting his contract and playing well, Arsenal has not, if they cared about him they would let him move to a place where he feels more comfortable.
  • Tom
    JC: somehow I doubt that your friend had an incredibly lucrative contract for several more years at his 'dead end job'. he probably also wasn't often telling you and others how much he loved his coworkers and wanted to go on and do great things at his 'dead end job'.

    The comparison does not work.
  • Racially loaded? I didn't know what you were getting at straight away, as I thought Rednapp was referring to the City fans' acceptance of Thaksin Shinawatra as owner. Lacking self-awareness though? Oh yeah, big time!
  • JC
    I had a friend who is in a dead end job. All his hard work would result in nothing. The good friend that I am, I passed the word that there is a very good qualified and skillful person looking out for a job. and finally he did get a better offer in another company and getting the recognition he truly deserves.

    now take the above situation and
    -replace 'Me' with Xavi, Pique et all
    -replace 'friend' with Cesc
    -Replace 'dead end job' with Arsenal
    -replace 'result in nothing' with Trophies
    -replace 'passed the good word' with Barca players using the media to speak their minds out.
  • edgar
    Martin, do you even know about Messi's treatment? you know the one only Barca could pay for and the reason why River Plate did not sign him.
  • Julius.
    Well it makes the matter irrelevant to them bcse of the title of this topic, which is this: "Cash-Happy Fans: Would you care if Saddam owned your club?"

    Its a disgrace under this title to put the Barça' case.
    and not for this reason only...

    And the other thing Im saying, is that the people of Barça, want Cesc in their team. It showed up when they choose the newly elected president, Rosell, as he promissed Cesc to them.

    But dont get confused, its another thing to want a player to play for your team, and another thing to agree with the moves of getting him.

    The last thing leads us now to the case itself - is it ethical what the Barça players are doing?
    First thing I have to say: we are questioning the ethics here, and only. Its not an evil thing to want a player as your teammate. I dont see anything wrong with this. This case is being overused by the media, who are trying to get a meal out of it, in every day headlines.
    And I doubt that is the club itself using the so called "tactics". I think that the players of Barça atittude is their personal thing. They are speaking their own mind. And Im backing this by saying for one more time that, fans of Barça, want Cesc in their team.
  • Well in terms of my Barca "tapping up" Fabregas, I don't really see that. Considering Cesc said during the last EPL season that he wanted to return to Barca. And being with friends/counrtymen who want to play with him, I'm sure they were letting him know, they want to play with him, without the club instructing their players to do so. I have no problem with privately owned clubs, as long as there isn't any questionable/possible criminal element or corrption to the owners finances, like new Russian NJ Nets owner $ old Thai Man City owner. I wouldn't want my club in large debts either. My team in the EPL is Chelsea, so this article does apply to me.
  • @Julius - So, I guess you are saying that Barca fans obviously support this ethically questionable behavior since they own the club...? I dont see why their ownership of the club makes the post irrelevant to them? I dont think thats true because several Barca fans have come out against some of the tactics used by the club (and Im not just talking about the press surrounding them)...
  • Julius.
    Its funny enough to include Barça in all this, when actually the fans OWN the club and they elect directly their own presidents.

    And that Fabregas thing, is again from the pressure of their own fans to get him.
    Too much mess is getting into this Fabregas thing. Players speaking their own mind, is not that bad really. U implicate that what players say, is directed from the club. Well, I will doubt it. The players mentioned and Fabregas have close relations between them. They have grown together, are from the same area, and Fabregas if Im not mistaken, is spending his holidays among them in Barcelona.

    Dont confuse the press mess and personal feelings with some really evil doers. This two things are way far from each other.
  • Jose
    "You sign a 13 year-old, and it’s just another example of perfect, haloed, benevolent Barcelona selflessly helping out the less fortunate. Arsenal sign a 16 year-old who wants to leave Barcelona, and it’s big, evil Arsenal exploiting a legal loophole to perpetuate child slavery. And then you can turn around with a straight face and accuse someone else of being delusional."

    lol, you sure can set up a straw man, can't you?
  • Jose
    No one else could afford Messi's treatment, yadda yadda yadda. Nothing you didn't already know, but chose to ignore. :D
  • Jose
    "Clubs like Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea who take advantage of child labor laws being different in other countries, and poach young impressive players before they have a chance to sign a contract with their clubs. examples G. Rossi, Macheda, Fabregas."

    Wow. For a club to do that as a matter of policy would be quite... er, classless.
  • Stephen
    As a firm and die-hard Barça fan, I believe example 1 is in the eye of the beholder, and how much of the media you are willing to absorb. If anybody is being unethical in that situation is the player, step up and tell your Arsenal fans what you are doing and put it all in the clear. Other players do it, why doesnt he?
    Example one is not a good one. As for the other two, there's only a portion of the fanatics who even care about what happens behind closed doors at their clubs, esp. those privately owned so I believe support for a ManU will remain intact regardless.
  • edgar
    I would add a fifth example

    Clubs like Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea who take advantage of child labor laws being different in other countries, and poach young impressive players before they have a chance to sign a contract with their clubs. examples G. Rossi, Macheda, Fabregas.
  • Adam - Well, they have the same problem: overspending. They just happen to overspend on different things. You can try to dress it up with titles and victories all you want- the bottom line remains the same: they arent generating the amount of revenue needed to cover their financial transaction agreements.
  • bulers
    @Reznuk: Yeah, you would say that. :D

    Seriously, though, I think the worst crime against reason is the situation in Man United and, correct me if I'm wrong as I don't understand their case as well, Liverpool. Buying a club by borrowing money, and then loading that debt back onto the club, which you can now do because, after all, you now own the club is just evil.
  • Adam
    Two of the teams in example 3 are in bad financial situations for a reason very different from wage bills and transfer fees.
  • Of your examples, Number 1 is the most blatantly obvious one that should be punished (but then I would say that being an Arsenal fan).

    Example 2 would need hard evidence, otherwise it's just "friendly relations" between brothers.

    Examples 3 and 4 are stupid, reckless management, but they're not illegal, and in those cases the fans can hardly be blamed for continuing to support their club. I have a Man City supporting friend who is quite comfortable (indeed happy) with his club "buying" the premiership - he welcomes it in fact. I cannot understand this but he shows no shame.

    To be honest, if someone hateful bought Arsenal, I wouldn't (couldn't) stop supporting them - I'd just rail against them, as a lot of Man Utd fans have done against the Glazers.
  • Ryan McManus
    Wow... I applaud you. This is perhaps the first list of clubs with something wrong with them that doesn't begin and with Real Madrid.
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