Comments on: Jose Mourinho’s New Leaf http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html League Football, Soccer News and Views from Around the World Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:57:06 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mica http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-144211 mica Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:51:40 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-144211 K... why don't you read some of the posts in this discussion before you grace us with your unique brand nothingness. No one is saying you have to love the guy or even respect him but the minute you make race the motivation for your dislike it becomes something heinous. By the way its not conjecture anymore, Juve was fined and will be playing in closed doors. So i guess it must have been particularly more offensive than the usual racist chants that Italian soccer tolerates. K… why don’t you read some of the posts in this discussion before you grace us with your unique brand nothingness. No one is saying you have to love the guy or even respect him but the minute you make race the motivation for your dislike it becomes something heinous. By the way its not conjecture anymore, Juve was fined and will be playing in closed doors. So i guess it must have been particularly more offensive than the usual racist chants that Italian soccer tolerates.

]]> By: mica http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-144208 mica Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:47:23 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-144208 OH MY GOD!!!! I cannot believe that someone is actually trying to rationalize this disgrace. The award for biggest twat in the world definately belongs to the author of this abomination & not Balotelli. I guess if Jose(second biggest twat) & the Juve fans(Known for their Racial Tolerance & acceptence)say it wasn't racially motivated we should all defer to their opinion. Chris you are a fool & anyone agreeing with this article is an even bigger fool. What part of monkey chants & "there is no such thing as a BLACK Italian.." doesn't scream of racism.NOBODY no matter how controversial he is should be a victim of such disgraceful mutterings. This is not the first time Italian football has come to the defence of their Ridiculous fans and judging by their denial, chances of an end to this behaviour are slim. Many concerned people have frequently called for tougher sanctions against Teams that harbour racist fans but the most they get is usually a 8,000 euro fine. HAHAHAHA, 8,000 euro fine would not make a dent in Jose's wallet let alone the Juve club. Juve has been forced to play behind closed doors but that's not enough; the sanction should be significant enough for them to become proactive against this problem. Living in the US we are always talking about how race relations are still an issue but every time i read stuff like this iam so pleased with the great strides we have taken. Chris do us a favour and unplug your PC PERMANETLY, then go find a tall building and try to fly OH MY GOD!!!! I cannot believe that someone is actually trying to rationalize this disgrace. The award for biggest twat in the world definately belongs to the author of this abomination & not Balotelli. I guess if Jose(second biggest twat) & the Juve fans(Known for their Racial Tolerance & acceptence)say it wasn’t racially motivated we should all defer to their opinion. Chris you are a fool & anyone agreeing with this article is an even bigger fool. What part of monkey chants & “there is no such thing as a BLACK Italian..” doesn’t scream of racism.NOBODY no matter how controversial he is should be a victim of such disgraceful mutterings. This is not the first time Italian football has come to the defence of their Ridiculous fans and judging by their denial, chances of an end to this behaviour are slim. Many concerned people have frequently called for tougher sanctions against Teams that harbour racist fans but the most they get is usually a 8,000 euro fine. HAHAHAHA, 8,000 euro fine would not make a dent in Jose’s wallet let alone the Juve club. Juve has been forced to play behind closed doors but that’s not enough; the sanction should be significant enough for them to become proactive against this problem. Living in the US we are always talking about how race relations are still an issue but every time i read stuff like this iam so pleased with the great strides we have taken.

Chris do us a favour and unplug your PC PERMANETLY, then go find a tall building and try to fly

]]> By: Jones http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143964 Jones Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:35:50 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143964 chris, I read your whole entry as well as multiple articles on this, thanks, and it's not quite that clear. All the denials of racism that I've seen have been based on the faulty logic that to be racist the fans have to attack every black player all the time in this way. Both Mourinho and Lippi have framed their denials of racism in this way. Frankly, the "but some of my friends, uh, favorite players are black!" and the "well, if he hadn't been asking for it...." lines of argument make me suspect that there really was racist chanting because it sounds like people trying to make the argument, "well, but they don't REALLY mean it" instead of "well, what really happened is that he got booed like everyone else and just happens to be black". The articles I've read (reuters, not goal.com) report that the fans were singing "a black Italian does not exist", that police are studying video evidence, and that Juve's president's statement admitted/acknowledged racist chanting. None of that is cast iron proof like seeing/hearing it for myself would be, but it seems that someone has reason to think there was a problem. chris, I read your whole entry as well as multiple articles on this, thanks, and it’s not quite that clear. All the denials of racism that I’ve seen have been based on the faulty logic that to be racist the fans have to attack every black player all the time in this way. Both Mourinho and Lippi have framed their denials of racism in this way. Frankly, the “but some of my friends, uh, favorite players are black!” and the “well, if he hadn’t been asking for it….” lines of argument make me suspect that there really was racist chanting because it sounds like people trying to make the argument, “well, but they don’t REALLY mean it” instead of “well, what really happened is that he got booed like everyone else and just happens to be black”.

The articles I’ve read (reuters, not goal.com) report that the fans were singing “a black Italian does not exist”, that police are studying video evidence, and that Juve’s president’s statement admitted/acknowledged racist chanting. None of that is cast iron proof like seeing/hearing it for myself would be, but it seems that someone has reason to think there was a problem.

]]> By: chris http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143956 chris Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:28:03 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143956 Could you guys read through? The supposed chants are conjecture and <i>everyone who was at the game says the chants weren't racist</i>. Could you guys read through? The supposed chants are conjecture and everyone who was at the game says the chants weren’t racist.

]]> By: pusillanimous http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143951 pusillanimous Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:28:21 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143951 Yes ofcourse its all balotelli's fault. He has disgraced the reputation of italy by being targeted for racist abuse. Yes ofcourse its all balotelli’s fault. He has disgraced the reputation of italy by being targeted for racist abuse.

]]> By: pusillanimous http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143950 pusillanimous Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:21:47 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143950 Chris, you are the twat. Chris, you are the twat.

]]> By: Jones http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143947 Jones Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:00:10 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143947 alessio - Camoranesi grew up in Argentina, didn`t move to Italy until his 20s, and has said that he feels Argentinian. It`s not a very useful comparison in this case given that their circumstances are substantially different. On what grounds can one say that Balotelli isn`t Italian - not by his place of birth, mother tongue, the cultural milieu in which he was raised, or even his legal citizenship ... so think about what`s left in this scenario. To interpret such a chant in the most charitable way, it`s at least xenophobic and ethnically prejudiced. alessio – Camoranesi grew up in Argentina, didn`t move to Italy until his 20s, and has said that he feels Argentinian. It`s not a very useful comparison in this case given that their circumstances are substantially different.

On what grounds can one say that Balotelli isn`t Italian – not by his place of birth, mother tongue, the cultural milieu in which he was raised, or even his legal citizenship … so think about what`s left in this scenario. To interpret such a chant in the most charitable way, it`s at least xenophobic and ethnically prejudiced.

]]> By: MAD http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143936 MAD Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:48:26 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143936 "Since arriving in Italy, The Now Average One has made it a point to annoy all comers with his well-worn ways." "The Toothless One" is wrong on 2 accounts. First of all, if he's average, I guess that makes Ranieri and Spalletti the Sub-Par Ones (The D Minus Ones? The Lower Tier Ones? The Under Dwellers?) since neither has a win against him in 6 tries this season. Secondly there are several people in the media, coaches and players in addition to supporters who are not annoyed by Mo, but on the contrary, are happy to see him and the breath of fresh air that he brings to the somewhat sterile Serie A. I mean, exactly what has he said that was not truthful and has not come to pass? He seems right on the button actually. "Not even Inter fans can stand [Balotelli]" Wrong - actually it's a lie - as this person has been told several times, by several people that we Inter fans, in fact, do like him, his talent and his attitude. __________________ Although I would consider the arrogance and ignorance that it takes for these 2 people, to think that they can speak for me or anyone. It's like propaganda - which would describe the Roma Offsides pretty well. It's very entertaining. _______________ Oh and by the way, to use race as an issue (maybe not the only one, but an issue) for not liking someone is prejudicial, it's stereotypical, it's ethnocentric and especially - it's racist. And it's really stupid considering the fact that the "races" themselves don't actually, scientifically/genetically exist. The fact that people are pricks to the Juve fanbase isn't a free pass as their "response" to the closed stadium seems to suggest. Two wrongs, as they say, do not make a right. The Juve fan base had a chance to prove how great they can be by being better than the sheeple, but typically, they failed miserably. “Since arriving in Italy, The Now Average One has made it a point to annoy all comers with his well-worn ways.”

“The Toothless One” is wrong on 2 accounts. First of all, if he’s average, I guess that makes Ranieri and Spalletti the Sub-Par Ones (The D Minus Ones? The Lower Tier Ones? The Under Dwellers?) since neither has a win against him in 6 tries this season.

Secondly there are several people in the media, coaches and players in addition to supporters who are not annoyed by Mo, but on the contrary, are happy to see him and the breath of fresh air that he brings to the somewhat sterile Serie A. I mean, exactly what has he said that was not truthful and has not come to pass? He seems right on the button actually.

“Not even Inter fans can stand [Balotelli]”

Wrong – actually it’s a lie – as this person has been told several times, by several people that we Inter fans, in fact, do like him, his talent and his attitude.
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Although I would consider the arrogance and ignorance that it takes for these 2 people, to think that they can speak for me or anyone. It’s like propaganda – which would describe the Roma Offsides pretty well.

It’s very entertaining.
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Oh and by the way, to use race as an issue (maybe not the only one, but an issue) for not liking someone is prejudicial, it’s stereotypical, it’s ethnocentric and especially – it’s racist. And it’s really stupid considering the fact that the “races” themselves don’t actually, scientifically/genetically exist.

The fact that people are pricks to the Juve fanbase isn’t a free pass as their “response” to the closed stadium seems to suggest. Two wrongs, as they say, do not make a right. The Juve fan base had a chance to prove how great they can be by being better than the sheeple, but typically, they failed miserably.

]]> By: alessio http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143935 alessio Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:29:06 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143935 From what I heard the chants were "Balotelli is not Italian" From what I heard the chants were “Balotelli is not Italian”

]]> By: Ak http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html/comment-page-1#comment-143931 Ak Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:41:33 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/jose-mourinhos-new-leaf.html#comment-143931 alessio: I really hope you're not being serious. No, that's not racist since "Camoranesi" is not the name for a RACE of people -- it's the name of a person. alessio: I really hope you’re not being serious. No, that’s not racist since “Camoranesi” is not the name for a RACE of people — it’s the name of a person.

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