Similar behaviour was prevalent in Britain in the 70s and even into the 80s, but is now considered totally unacceptable and does not only result in lifetime bans from the stadia in question, but can also lead to criminal prosecution.

Britain has had a large immigrant population since the 1950s, whereas Spain has only experienced this in recent years following its economic resurgence. Perhaps the length of time has contributed to changes in attitudes in Britain that Spain has yet to come to terms with.

Britain is by no means without racism (indeed, in certain areas it is a very real and serious problem) but it has taken many steps, both social and legal, to try to address the situation and to stamp out the kind of ‘unthinking’ racism that led Luis Aragonés to say what he did about Thierry Henry and honestly believe he did nothing wrong.

It is truly ironic how some Spaniards perceive the British as racist, such as the president of the Spanish Motorsport Federation, voicing his opinion about the Formula One rivaly between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton: “”It is perfectly normal for a British team and British fans wanting to succeed in formula one but it is ironic that the racists in England are having to rely on a coloured pilot.”

Jay, atleti, I think you both basically agree with each other (with nuances) in that such behaviour is unacceptable and has no place in football (or indeed anywhere else). Regarding whether some European countries are better than others for young African players to develop, I won’t be drawn on this; I think it depends on the individual and how they deal with it. But it is worth noting that the courage exhibited by black players (mostly of Caribbean descent) in Britain was partly responsible for eventually changing the attitudes of the fans.

Sorry for the long post. I’ve only just read it back and realised how long I’ve gone on for!

English is not my first language, so perhaps I did misread you a bit.

cheers,

I am sorry that the truth offends you. I also have Spanish ancestry yet that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. That would be the equivalent of someone with German ancestry excusing actions of German neo-nazis. You have obviously misread and misrepresented my comments in order to bolster your illogic. I never said these nationals were savages. I specifically said these vicious fanatics in the stands ARE savages and I stand by that. Nevertheless, to say that this is nothing but a small group of extremists is misleading. I am sorry to say but there exists a phobia for immigrants particularly non-European ones in many European countries. Particularly those European countries that are more homogenous like Spain, Italy, and some of the Eastern European states. This social ill is less pronounced in more heterogenous nations like France and England, specifically in the major cities. So you are incorrect when you associate these dispicable actions with a small minority. You do a great disservice to the polemic.

I take offence to your comment that Spaniards (not to mention the other nationalities you mentioned) are ‘a bunch of savages in the stands’ as I am half-Spaniard and have attended countless games in Spain.

Yes, there are certain stadiums with particular support groups known for despicable behaviours towards players of African descent- it’s the responsibility of the FA to punish clubs more harshly for that. The current system is a joke.

re Liga: South Americans will always outnumber extracommunitarians from Africa because of the language, cultural and historical ties. Many Africans tend to begin their careers in France because they come from countries with French as an official language: Senegal, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, et al. Many begin their trade there and eventually leave for other leagues, eg Toure (Barcelona), Zokora (Spurs), Drogba (Chelsea), Diarra (Madrid), Kanoute (Sevilla).

cheers,

Great bit of excuse making lad. Unfortunately for you, reality is reality and the countless incidents and horrors coming from these particular countries are well documented. Of course it is ridiculous to think that all individuals in these places are racist and I will not even address such piffle on your part. However, a tendency and underlying cultural and historical problems converge to produce such ignorant responses from the masses of these nations. Sorry but the truth hurts.

There’s also the 3 extracommunitarian rule to consider as well, of course.

cheers,

In particular, why would they want to play in Liga? Because it’s one of the top (if not the #1) leagues in the world.

I do agree that Kameni is an excellent and largely underrated goalkeeper.

cheers,