Comments on: Karma Bites Liverpool in the Butt http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html League Football, Soccer News and Views from Around the World Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:24:39 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Laurie http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-98096 Laurie Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:27:33 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-98096 I believe the karma came in when Luton Town made far more money on the return fixture that they would have if Liverpool had done the right thing to begin with. And maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure how your understanding of "Buddhist concepts" fits with your personal attacks. Also, the "football slave trade" you refer to is an international problem, not a French one. It's a complicated issue. Are you saying that no African-born players should be playing in French or other European leagues? Should all players forgo the opportunities and money because some are exploited? Yes, exploitation absolutely takes place, and the answers to this are complicated and multifaceted. One possible solution comes from something like Diambars, a school founded by Patrick Vieira and others, which is not-for-profit and focuses on education as well as soccer. This is an issue I plan to write on in the future. This issue is completely separate from my writing about the France NT, however, because by definition the players on the NT were either born in or grew up in France. Hence no "slave trade." I believe the karma came in when Luton Town made far more money on the return fixture that they would have if Liverpool had done the right thing to begin with.

And maybe I’m missing something, but I’m not sure how your understanding of “Buddhist concepts” fits with your personal attacks.

Also, the “football slave trade” you refer to is an international problem, not a French one. It’s a complicated issue. Are you saying that no African-born players should be playing in French or other European leagues? Should all players forgo the opportunities and money because some are exploited?

Yes, exploitation absolutely takes place, and the answers to this are complicated and multifaceted. One possible solution comes from something like Diambars, a school founded by Patrick Vieira and others, which is not-for-profit and focuses on education as well as soccer. This is an issue I plan to write on in the future.

This issue is completely separate from my writing about the France NT, however, because by definition the players on the NT were either born in or grew up in France. Hence no “slave trade.”

]]> By: Gerald http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-97939 Gerald Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:34:12 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-97939 Ain't karma a bitch? An easy 5-0 win at home in the return fixture, an easy draw in the next round, which was handily taken care of. Wow, you really know what you're talking about. Why don't you stick to writing about David Beckham's underwear and abusing Orwellian speak by glorifying the French football slave trade and leave reality and Buddhist concepts to us who actually take the time to us who aren't delusional? Ain’t karma a bitch? An easy 5-0 win at home in the return fixture, an easy draw in the next round, which was handily taken care of. Wow, you really know what you’re talking about.

Why don’t you stick to writing about David Beckham’s underwear and abusing Orwellian speak by glorifying the French football slave trade and leave reality and Buddhist concepts to us who actually take the time to us who aren’t delusional?

]]> By: Laurie http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92541 Laurie Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:57:08 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92541 Lawrence, I see your point. It's just that football is so much more than business. It's history and pride and emotion. And if a team goes under, that's all lost. Add in the disparity between the bigger and smaller clubs and it just seems that the right thing to do would be lend a helping hand. But with luck the Liverpool fans will sell out the rematch, and the end result will be the same. Lawrence, I see your point. It’s just that football is so much more than business. It’s history and pride and emotion. And if a team goes under, that’s all lost. Add in the disparity between the bigger and smaller clubs and it just seems that the right thing to do would be lend a helping hand.

But with luck the Liverpool fans will sell out the rematch, and the end result will be the same.

]]> By: liverpoolvialawrence http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92519 liverpoolvialawrence Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:07:15 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92519 I just can't agree with the idea that a failing business should be rescued by its competitors. Don't businesses fail because of poor management and bad planning? Am I missing something? Did some horrible misfortune befall Luton Town that they had no control over? As a Liverpool fan I'd be glad if they spend monies on various worthy charities, But the continuance of league football in Luton is not one of them. Oh well, I'm still hoping Liverpool win it all like 2 years ago. I just can’t agree with the idea that a failing business should be rescued by its competitors.
Don’t businesses fail because of poor management and bad planning?
Am I missing something?
Did some horrible misfortune befall Luton Town that they had no control over?
As a Liverpool fan I’d be glad if they spend monies on various worthy charities, But the continuance of league football in Luton is not one of them.

Oh well, I’m still hoping Liverpool win it all like 2 years ago.

]]> By: Matt http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92453 Matt Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:44:48 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92453 You miss my point. Liverpool (the players) played like crap and were not victims of karma. What karma befell Everton? Or Blackburn? Certainly Liverpool (the business) made a shameful selfish decision. But the decision and he play are not cause and effect. You miss my point. Liverpool (the players) played like crap and were not victims of karma. What karma befell Everton? Or Blackburn?

Certainly Liverpool (the business) made a shameful selfish decision. But the decision and he play are not cause and effect.

]]> By: Shazback http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92344 Shazback Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:20:06 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92344 <strong>Matt & liverpoolvialawrence</strong> : Luton town asked Liverpool to give them half of their share of the gate receipts. So that would be what, peanuts for Liverpool? So yes, instead of the 50-50 split it would have been a 75-25 split. Oh. How sad. It's not like Luton Town sold Paul Walsh to Liverpool, now, is it? And it's not like Paul Walsh is a legend who played in a european final for Liverpool, now, is it? It's not even like he's a player who won a double with Liverpool, in fact, is it? I mean, it's a cheap move by Liverpool to do that. Everyone knows very well that the gate receipts at Luton will be ridiculously low compared to what Liverpool deal with, and that Luton are not at all in direct competition with Liverpool (in fact, they might be, seen how poorly Liverpool played against them). The way the FA Cup is organised means that big clubs like Liverpool get a lot more money than minnows like Luton Town. Not only do they avoid the first two rounds (Luton have already played 3 more FA Cup games this season), but they're sure to get TV revenues from the broadcasting of their games that small teams don't get. And that's without even starting on the simple fact that for Luton, the cost to host Liverpool fans (especially if there's any trouble) is probably higher than their share of gate reciepts... Oh well, I'm still hoping for Liverpool to crash out in the 3rd round. Like last year. Matt & liverpoolvialawrence : Luton town asked Liverpool to give them half of their share of the gate receipts. So that would be what, peanuts for Liverpool? So yes, instead of the 50-50 split it would have been a 75-25 split. Oh. How sad. It’s not like Luton Town sold Paul Walsh to Liverpool, now, is it? And it’s not like Paul Walsh is a legend who played in a european final for Liverpool, now, is it? It’s not even like he’s a player who won a double with Liverpool, in fact, is it? I mean, it’s a cheap move by Liverpool to do that. Everyone knows very well that the gate receipts at Luton will be ridiculously low compared to what Liverpool deal with, and that Luton are not at all in direct competition with Liverpool (in fact, they might be, seen how poorly Liverpool played against them).

The way the FA Cup is organised means that big clubs like Liverpool get a lot more money than minnows like Luton Town. Not only do they avoid the first two rounds (Luton have already played 3 more FA Cup games this season), but they’re sure to get TV revenues from the broadcasting of their games that small teams don’t get. And that’s without even starting on the simple fact that for Luton, the cost to host Liverpool fans (especially if there’s any trouble) is probably higher than their share of gate reciepts…

Oh well, I’m still hoping for Liverpool to crash out in the 3rd round. Like last year.

]]> By: Matt http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92302 Matt Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:04:59 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92302 What horseshit. Karma? For what? This was a business decision yes? When did Stevie and the boys vote to keep or donate the dough? Get over yourselves. Luton played well. Liverpool played poorly. Pretty simple. Karma. That's a larf. What horseshit.

Karma? For what? This was a business decision yes? When did Stevie and the boys vote to keep or donate the dough?

Get over yourselves. Luton played well. Liverpool played poorly. Pretty simple.

Karma. That’s a larf.

]]> By: Ian http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92295 Ian Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:39:04 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92295 Yes, because Liverpool is in direct competition for money and supporters ... with Luton Town. Yes, because Liverpool is in direct competition for money and supporters … with Luton Town.

]]> By: liverpoolvialawrence http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92289 liverpoolvialawrence Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:12:11 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92289 wow! A business not giving away money to a rival. what is the world coming to? wow!
A business not giving away money to a rival.
what is the world coming to?

]]> By: Laurie http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92285 Laurie Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:47:59 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/liverpool-are-greedy-bastards.html#comment-92285 Ian, believe it or not, that "half the gate receipts" from the second game hadn't occurred to me. Karma indeed! Ian, believe it or not, that “half the gate receipts” from the second game hadn’t occurred to me. Karma indeed!

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