

Torres, Zlatan, Messi and Villa: Are Player to Player Comparison Arguments Ultimately Pointless?
By: Daryl | September 27th, 2009
Yesterday, I posted video of Fernando Torres’ hat-trick vs Hull. Mostly because I just wanted to celebrate and share video of an impressive achievement by a quality footballer, especially the calm and technique the Liverpool striker displayed in the penalty area. (No, I’m not a Liverpool fan, before anyone asks). In doing so I claimed that Torres is “arguably the most graceful goalscorer around.”
That seemed to spark a debate in the comments about other graceful strikers. Was Torres more or less graceful than Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Leo Messi? Than David Villa? Etcetera. All are top class attackers in my opinion, and as such, it’s pretty much impossible to compare the three (and others, like Sergio Aguero) and decide who’s superior.
You can definitely say that Zlatan Ibrahimovic is taller, that Leo Messi is shorter, that Fernando Torres is frecklier and that David Villa has the best soul patch. Because those things are easy to prove. But once we start comparing who’s more graceful, or who’s the better forward or footballer, then we enter the realm of things that cannot be proven.
Or can they? Maybe there are stats that show one player’s strike rate is better than another. Or that his percentage of shots to goals is superior. And certainly we can compare other professional footballers. I can say unequivocally that Fernando Torres is a more graceful striker than Marlon Harewood, for example, and I can’t think of many people who would argue. So clearly there are differences between footballers.
I wrote a post about Fernando Torres yesterday because he’d scored an exquisite hat-trick that provided an excellent demonstration of his graceful goalscoring talents. And because it was available on TVGolo and I wanted to share that with Offside readers. I claimed he was “arguably the most graceful goalscorer around” because he arguably is. Arguably.
But when we get to the top tier of top quality strikers, are there too many other variable to accurately compare and make a decision? Things like which league they play in, what style of football their team plays, who their teammates are, which defences they face, and so on?
Even more importantly, personal, team and league biases almost always come into play when comparing different players. When the players are so close in quality it’s ultimately just an opinion that can not be backed up sufficiently to persuade someone who holds the opposite opinion. But maybe that’s where the fun lies?
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It does become very tedious, especially when in the Anglophone media (I’m lucky enough to read English-Spanish-Portuguese-French) and thus I follow many leagues, and the thing that really made me a bit angry is that Player A gets more spotlight because he plays for one of the EPL Top 4, and that instantly equates that the player is ‘the best’.
For instance, prior to Euro 2008, I was in the minority of those saying that Xavi was a better player than any of Englands midfielders, and it took Euro 2008 and the super Barca season last year for people to take notice of him.I encountered the same when I constantly elevated both Nesta and Cannavaro as top players, and it took 2006 for them to be recognised as such.
Similarly, there is a debate who is the best striker around, and one saying Drogba is the best African, yet Eto’o holds many records and has a track record of changing and winning matches, yet because he is not shown in England, no one takes notice. The same applies to O Fabuloso, who many do not rate, yet his goal record speaks for itself at all levels.
Not to have a go at this site, as it covers more than most, but there has to be some balance and don’t use strong words to praise some players that cannot be accepted universally.
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FBJ got it exactly right..
Its the English bias that pains so many of us who watch many leagues before making an opinion .. Fernando was really good when he played for Atletico Madrid but no one gave a damn..now he’s doing the same at Liverpool and people have started having a different opinion about him
all we are asking is a little more appreciation for the other leaguesPosted from
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I have an opinion about who is the best at what, as does everybody. But it can NEVER be proved.
Football is all about opinions, and that’s what makes it great. Once a year, FIFA WPOTY is decided, mostly on statistics, but that isn’t a definative answer. It mearly states who general consence thinks has had the best season.
But, having said that, Messi is the best. Period.
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Another player who has scored goals like Torres, was Benzema. Two seasons ago, I was at the Stade Gerland, he faked a shot, the keeper dived the other way and he then tapped home, beautiful goal. Had Torres done that, or Drogba, everyone would say he is number 1, but it is because they never saw the Benzema one.
Another one is that Terry is the best defender, even Nesta and Cannavaro, both old and injured already putin clinics in the art of defending. No one will mention them as they don’t watch Serie A. Gourcuff is an incredible playmaker,no one talks about him as they don’t see Ligue 1. Hopefully this blog will make some readers watch more and more football to see different styles and players who are just as and probably even better than those only in the EPL.
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While we are at fakes, Messi pulled a similar one on the Racing goalie last week .. left him on the ground with the fake and then slotted in easily … and no one here noticed
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What I want to know is what an Ouroboros has to do with the best striker in the world.
For the record, Villa is my pick. A goal scoring machine who has never play for “one of the big clubs”. To be more specific – since Valencia is a big club -, a stable club. It doesn’t matter. Goals are his air he needs to breathe. That’s why he is Villa the Marvelous. Viva Villa Maravilla!
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Yes, when we get to the top tier of top quality strikers, there are too many other variable to accurately compare and make a decision. Things like which league they play in, what style of football their team plays, who their teammates are, which defenses they face, and so on.
However, somebody made it simple. It’s said that a great soccer striker will score a goal every two opportunities he has. So, who has converted more scoring opportunities? The stats may be misleading because there are times when striker A passes the ball to striker B even though striker A could have scored had he not passed. Also, how do you define a scoring opportunity? Some strikers can score 35 yards from goal while others only score from close range. What about free kicks? Ronaldo scores from free kicks so if he misses should that count as a missed scoring opportunity?
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This is the Benzema faked shot/pass and goal, top quality, but few would have seen it or spoken about it, because he doesn’t play in England.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoEKQ4nNgoPosted from
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This is the Benzema faked shot/pass and goal, top quality, but few would have seen it or spoken about it, because he doesn’t play in England.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoEKQ4nNgo
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This is the Benzema faked shot/pass and goal, top quality, but few would have seen it or spoken about it, because he doesn’t play in England. Look in youtube and type in ‘benzema 1 – 3 Caen’ and you will see it.
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I agree that we’re sometimes too focused on what happens in the Premier League. I think it’s mostly do with speaking English and therefore reading mostly English media. We do a decent job, but we could definitely do a lot better.
You can help us by alerting us to any good footage like the Benzema and Messi fakes. Please send the url of any good video like that to tips[at]theoffside[dot]com
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yea FBL, that was a cool goal. Watched it live. Funny enough, when that goal was scored people still were suspect of his ability. Most of what you heard was ” well, he plays in Ligue 1 blah blah blah “, but when Lyon Faced Manchester in the first leg, EVERYONE changed there tune and you heard ” Benzema is the next big thing, blah blah blah ”
But to go back on topic, Comparisons are Useless, everyone brings something unique to the table. I rarely if ever claim that ” so and so is better than so and so ” cause its a waste of time.
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I just can’t believe my luck that I get to watch them play every weekend. The truth is that even the best have good and bad (or at least not great) games. It’s more fun to me to see the different ways they score when, against who, and why — and even to try to figure out what causes a particular slump, something I do brilliantly with absolutely no corroborating evidence for my conjecture. It’s a great time to be the beneficiary of a dish (satellite, not lunch).
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You guys have prettu much summed it up all right.
3 guys who are a bit underrated but probably in the class right below the ones mentioned above: Robin Van Persie, Alexandre Pato, Gonzalo Higuain. 3 class strikers with all kinds of grace about them
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Isn’t this the oldest debate in sports? It happens every year, in every sport, in every league. Why is this blog post anything new?
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