Comments on: Vote: What do You Think of Platini’s Calls for a European Salary Cap? http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html League Football, Soccer News and Views from Around the World Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:45:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Laurie http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131802 Laurie Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:33:13 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131802 Martin, We thought that one deserved a separate post. Perhaps for when Chris gets back from vacation, because as an Italy fan this is a hot-button issue for him. Martin, We thought that one deserved a separate post. Perhaps for when Chris gets back from vacation, because as an Italy fan this is a hot-button issue for him.

]]> By: martin http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131785 martin Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:54:29 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131785 You haven't mentioned the under 18 transfer proposal which is a very good one, as much as I hate to admit it coming from Platini. The salary cap isn't going to happen, and even if it did its a bad idea doing it as a percentage. Why not have a set value that can be reviewed in the close season? But banning under-18 transfers is one of the most sensible things I've heard from Platini's mouth. You haven’t mentioned the under 18 transfer proposal which is a very good one, as much as I hate to admit it coming from Platini. The salary cap isn’t going to happen, and even if it did its a bad idea doing it as a percentage. Why not have a set value that can be reviewed in the close season? But banning under-18 transfers is one of the most sensible things I’ve heard from Platini’s mouth.

]]> By: joejoejoe http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131741 joejoejoe Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:14:44 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131741 ursus arctos - Good points above. I think Platini is less concerned with seeing his own proposals come to pass then keeping popular with fans so he can avoid scrutiny from fans and member FAs over the massive profits UEFA sees in Champions League and in Euro tourneys. I think Arsenal has 58 players under contract between the first team and reserves. That's ridiculous. I think UEFA could institute roster limits without running afoul of EU law. Cap the number of pro contracts totals at 44 and that is 14 quality prospects that are spread around Europe. ursus arctos – Good points above. I think Platini is less concerned with seeing his own proposals come to pass then keeping popular with fans so he can avoid scrutiny from fans and member FAs over the massive profits UEFA sees in Champions League and in Euro tourneys.

I think Arsenal has 58 players under contract between the first team and reserves. That’s ridiculous. I think UEFA could institute roster limits without running afoul of EU law. Cap the number of pro contracts totals at 44 and that is 14 quality prospects that are spread around Europe.

]]> By: frem http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131715 frem Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:24:50 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131715 the thing with chelsea is even though they have alot of debt(as do manU and real madrid) they are still one of the richest clubs in the world, including actual revenue. So its not like chelsea will actually need to make too much losses. I highly doubt the a salary cap of that level with increase parity since basicly chelsea/arsenal/liverpool/manU are much richer then any1 else in english football. ManCity would be screwed though. Salary caps would also mean that some clubs will find it harder to retain certain players because the old guard doesnt want to lower then own rates. This could only work is lets say the max money a player could make per week is 100,000 euros and the appearance fee should be capped as well. The clean shit/goal bonus should be capped but at a point quite high so that they have a large incentive to perform. This way certain players earning top money would not see a point to go to another club. the thing with chelsea is even though they have alot of debt(as do manU and real madrid) they are still one of the richest clubs in the world, including actual revenue. So its not like chelsea will actually need to make too much losses.
I highly doubt the a salary cap of that level with increase parity since basicly chelsea/arsenal/liverpool/manU are much richer then any1 else in english football. ManCity would be screwed though.
Salary caps would also mean that some clubs will find it harder to retain certain players because the old guard doesnt want to lower then own rates.
This could only work is lets say the max money a player could make per week is 100,000 euros and the appearance fee should be capped as well. The clean shit/goal bonus should be capped but at a point quite high so that they have a large incentive to perform. This way certain players earning top money would not see a point to go to another club.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131700 ursus arctos Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:46:24 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131700 An individual transfer fee may well be higher than the annual salary a club pays any given player, but in the overall context of the club, salaries are now the significantly higher expense in virtually all cases. Salaries for the Premier League as a whole topped the 1 billion pounds sterling mark for the first time ever this season, and Chelsea's bill alone was over 110 million pounds. That would be a massive transfer fee bill for a single season, even for them. Some data from the Deloitte report via World Soccer here:http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/Premiership_wage_bill_tops_1billion_news_122223.html Of course, a cap on transfer fees would require the same changes to EU law as any kind of salary cap. And a limit on transfer fees could end up bankrupting the many clubs that survive in the current system by developing talent and then selling it on to "bigger" clubs. An individual transfer fee may well be higher than the annual salary a club pays any given player, but in the overall context of the club, salaries are now the significantly higher expense in virtually all cases.

Salaries for the Premier League as a whole topped the 1 billion pounds sterling mark for the first time ever this season, and Chelsea’s bill alone was over 110 million pounds. That would be a massive transfer fee bill for a single season, even for them.

Some data from the Deloitte report via World Soccer here:http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/Premiership_wage_bill_tops_1billion_news_122223.html

Of course, a cap on transfer fees would require the same changes to EU law as any kind of salary cap. And a limit on transfer fees could end up bankrupting the many clubs that survive in the current system by developing talent and then selling it on to “bigger” clubs.

]]> By: ben http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131698 ben Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:08:07 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131698 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always understood that the big money in European soccer went to transfer fees, not player salaries. While a big name player can be transferred to a club like Chelsea for $50M or more, that doesn't mean that player will make anywhere near that kind of money (unlike American sports). So, to make UEFA more competitive, there really ought to be a cap on transfer fees, or some other way for smaller clubs to be able to sign and keep top talent. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I always understood that the big money in European soccer went to transfer fees, not player salaries. While a big name player can be transferred to a club like Chelsea for $50M or more, that doesn’t mean that player will make anywhere near that kind of money (unlike American sports). So, to make UEFA more competitive, there really ought to be a cap on transfer fees, or some other way for smaller clubs to be able to sign and keep top talent.

]]> By: elle http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131690 elle Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:22:48 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131690 I really don't see this working out. If they really wanted to do something, they should just set a cap to the amount that clubs are allowed to pay players (ex. 5 million a year). Then at least we know it wouldn't be money pulling the big players to the big clubs. But, somehow I doubt the players would be too happy about that either. I really don’t see this working out. If they really wanted to do something, they should just set a cap to the amount that clubs are allowed to pay players (ex. 5 million a year). Then at least we know it wouldn’t be money pulling the big players to the big clubs.
But, somehow I doubt the players would be too happy about that either.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131689 ursus arctos Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:08:36 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131689 poach, not pouch. Platini cannot repeal Bosman, nor can he impose a minimum age requirement (even if he was able to get a sporting exemption); what he has proposed is doable with that pre-condition. What would really help, however, is a more equitable distribution of Champions League revenues, which is a subject that he is afraid to touch because of the constant spectre of a SuperLeague breakaway. To go back to Phil's original point, the proposal is that wages be a percentage of "turnover" ("revenues" to an American). Phil is absolutely right that a profit based plan wouldn't work at all. poach, not pouch.

Platini cannot repeal Bosman, nor can he impose a minimum age requirement (even if he was able to get a sporting exemption); what he has proposed is doable with that pre-condition.

What would really help, however, is a more equitable distribution of Champions League revenues, which is a subject that he is afraid to touch because of the constant spectre of a SuperLeague breakaway.

To go back to Phil’s original point, the proposal is that wages be a percentage of “turnover” (”revenues” to an American). Phil is absolutely right that a profit based plan wouldn’t work at all.

]]> By: Cerberus http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131688 Cerberus Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:00:41 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131688 I honestly see no possible method by which it wouldn't very strictly enforce the status quo of who is a rich team and who is a poor team and make it easier for a "rich club" to pouch talent on the cheap. A mandatory age or a repeal of Bosman would go a lot farther for parity. Or heck even a law that would prevent the massive pouching of talent that happens whenever a not-so-big team has a really impressive run in the CL. That would at least allow a newcomer the chance to do it twice in a row and thereby win their country more chances, experience, and money. I honestly see no possible method by which it wouldn’t very strictly enforce the status quo of who is a rich team and who is a poor team and make it easier for a “rich club” to pouch talent on the cheap. A mandatory age or a repeal of Bosman would go a lot farther for parity.

Or heck even a law that would prevent the massive pouching of talent that happens whenever a not-so-big team has a really impressive run in the CL. That would at least allow a newcomer the chance to do it twice in a row and thereby win their country more chances, experience, and money.

]]> By: McTalian http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131687 McTalian Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:38:21 +0000 http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/vote-what-do-you-think-of-platinis-calls-for-a-european-salary-cap.html#comment-131687 Are all Frenchmen communists? Just kidding. I think the percentage-based salary cap doesn't do much toward improving parity, which IMO is the top reason for instituting a salary cap. I suppose such a cap could limit finacial disasters as noted above. Don't think it's gonna fly, though. Are all Frenchmen communists? Just kidding. I think the percentage-based salary cap doesn’t do much toward improving parity, which IMO is the top reason for instituting a salary cap. I suppose such a cap could limit finacial disasters as noted above. Don’t think it’s gonna fly, though.

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