What’s the Right Size for an MLS Stadium?

By: Laurie | April 10th, 2010
   

qwest2In the past few years, MLS has been facing the Goldilocks issue: What makes a stadium too big? Too small? Just right?

Not too long ago, this seemed like a silly question. The goal was to move soccer out of the cavernous American football venues and into smaller, cozier spots that had been created just for soccer. With MLS averaging about 15,000 fans per game in 2006, and most American football stadiums seating 35-70,000, life was all about downsizing.

Then came 2007 and two newcomers: David Beckham, and Toronto FC. Beckham’s arrival in Los Angeles shone a spotlight on the sport in the US, at least temporarily, and gave LA a season of sold-out crowds and hype.

And expansion team Toronto’s fans took to the game with passion, creating unheard-of sellouts for each game at BMO field. When the sellouts continued beyond the inaugural season, smaller stadiums suddenly began to look a little less appealing, and Toronto began looking into a seating expansion.

Then, in 2009, MLS broke with their tradition of requiring an SSS* for expansion franchises and allowed the Seattle Sounders to play in Qwest field, a venue they share with the NFL’s Seahawks. Risky at the time, but a great move in hindsight. Seattle broke all MLS attendance records that year while opening up only the lower bowl of the stadiium. They expanded 2010 capacity to 36,000 by opening up new seating areas, and they’re still selling out.

empty stadiumBut it hasn’t been all hearts and flowers for MLS attendance. FC Dallas opened their stadium in 2005 in neighboring Frisco, about 30 miles from downtown Dallas. In 2009, their attendance averaged just over 9,000 per game in their 21,000-capacity site.

What this disparity means is that nobody really has a definitive answer to this question: What’s the right size for an MLS stadium?

In the current economic climate, teams seem to be playing it safe. Better to be a Toronto, with ticket demand exceeding supply, than a Dallas. When stadiums now in the planning or construction stages start coming online, the new Kansas City stadium will have an 18,500 capacity, and San Jose’s will start at 15,000.

Expansion franchises are leaning in the same direction. The stadium for the 2010 Philadelphia Union will have an 18,500 capacity. When 2011 teams Portland and Vancouver open (or reopen) their stadiums, they’ll have capacities of 20,000 and 15,000, respectively.

The biggest positive about the stadiums currently under construction, though, is that even though they’re being constructed on the small side, several have built into their plans the ability to expand if soccer in the US should really take off. Toronto is currently working on their expansion, and Kansas City, Portland, San Jose and Vancouver have built the possibility for expansion into their blueprints. Given the uncertainty of demand in the country, this seems like the best compromise.

But I’d love to see the day when MLS ownership groups are kicking themselves for thinking too small.

If you’re curious about how well the teams filled their stadiums in 2009, attendance figures are here.

And here are current and planned stadiums and their seating capacities:

  • Chivas USA and LA Galaxy (shared stadium): Home Depot Center, Carson, CA 27,000
  • Colorado Rapids: Dick’s Sporting Goods Park in Commerce City, 19,700 (nine miles from downtown Denver)
  • Columbus Crew: Columbus Crew Stadium, 20,500
  • Chicago Fire: Toyota Park in Bridgeview, 20,000
  • Dallas: Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, 21,200 (approx 30 mi. from downtown Dallas)
  • DC United: Currently in RFK Stadium, capacity 45,600 (Not an SSS). Still no stadium deal despite a lot of false starts. Commissioner Don Garber is threatening to yank the franchise if the situation can’t be fixed.
  • Houston Dynamo: Currently Robertson Stadium (American football) 32,000. Planned stadium: 20,000 in 2012
  • Kansas City Wizards: Currently Community America Ballpark, a former minor-league baseball stadium, capacity. 10,400. Planned in 2011: Wizards Stadium, 18,500
  • New England Revolution: Gillette Stadium (shared with NFL team NE Patriots,) capacity 68,800. Currently not in serious discussions about building an SSS.
  • New York Red Bull Arena (Harrison, NJ): 25,200
  • Seattle: Qwest (pictured, above): 67,000 for the entire stadium. Current capacity for soccer is about 36,000.
  • Portland: Reconfigured will be about 20,000, with the option of 24,000. (Wikipedia — my source — disagrees with our commenters. See comments.)
  • Philadelphia Union: 18,500 (opens in June.) Home opener in another venue had sold 25,000 by last Thursday.
  • Real Salt Lake: Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, 20,000
  • San Jose Earthquakes: Buck Shaw Stadium 10,300. New stadium planned for 2012, 15,000, expandable to 18,000
  • Toronto: BMO Field 21,800, expanding to 24,000 this year
  • Vancouver: Whitecaps Waterfront Stadium, 15,000, potentially expandable to 30,000
    See comments for more discussion.

*Creating smaller and cozier games isn’t the only reason for the SSS requirement. It’s also to push the league towards profitability by giving the MLS ownership a bigger piece of the pie for things like concessions, parking, and alternate uses of the stadiums like concerts.


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  • Dave B.
    Sorry if the US gets another World Cup the 20K stadiums aren't going to be hosting games over the likes of Dallas' new stadium or the New Meadowlands, Gillette, etc.

    And 20K sounds like a nice happy place for attendance. I think folks need to realize, and live with, the reality that the MLS is really a soccer minor league.

    And there's nothing wrong with that.
  • mlyons
    Nearly twice as many people came to the Union's first home match as can even fit into the new stadium. Seems like a bit of a problem to me.
  • Kjesare
    PGE will not be maxed out at 20,000. They will set capacity at 20,000 and will have the availability to open 4000 seats of the 200-level on the north end. That is the present situation as well. Seating can NOW take 20,000 but the FO chooses to restrict seating by 4000. This is why the Seattle-Portland USOC match last summer had 16k in attendance.
  • Mr. wrongfoot
    I agree about the location location location, cause they need to be acessable.
    but if you can not build a SSS downtown take a note from NYRB and build a SSS in a suburb that is very easily accessable from the neighboring cities downtown. with a 20min commute to the stadium.
  • Dave:

    Curses to Wikipedia! It swore that Waterfront Stadium was a done deal!

    That said, I have a hard time imagining anybody in Canada being satisfied with those numbers (15,000? really?) when Toronto is already kicking themselves for not dreaming big. Not to mention Vancouver's part in the I-5 rivalry which is going to drum up a lot of interest. (For the same reason I was shocked that Portland's PGE Park decided on 20,000.)

    I knew about the temp stay in BC Place but decided to ignore temporary digs for all teams for the sake of consistency. But I haven't been following the politics in Vancouver all that closely and wasn't aware of the politics surrounding a permanent spot.

    I actually wouldn't mind all that much if they could figure out a way to stay in BC Place, myself; it's an excellent location.
  • Good stuff Laurie.
  • The Whitecaps won't be playing at Waterfront, but instead at Empire Fields for their temporary home with a 27,500 capacity and during the 2011 season will move to BC Place with flexible seating though 25,000 is supposed to be the target for most matches.

    Waterfront Stadium, while a BRILLIANT idea, will never be built. The 'caps are going to sell out two stadiums nearly twice the size.
  • I think Seattle is lucky with their stadium. The tiered levels are easy to screen off so it doesn't feel empty even though there is no one sitting in the top circle.

    It seems to be, it would be cheaper to build a bigger stadium and just keep part of it closed for regular games. That way, if there are special occasions (like Barcelona and Chelsea coming to town) you can open up the whole thing.

    I just wish we could have real grass at Qwest field.
  • 20,000 on the dot. As far as those of us in Portland are concerned, that size is just perfect. For now.
  • Cruzeirense
    location, location, location. although building a stadium at the heart of a major city is obviously expensive, it attracts many more fans i.e. toronto and seattle. People dont want to be taking the train or driving an hour or two or more to watch a game. also these stadiums should all be expandable like Wicked1 said. if the US is to host another WC, i'd like to see some SSS hosting games. i dont want to see football stadiums getting money from a soccer event...
  • I understand not wanting to build a 50,000 seat stadium if only 9000 of the seats are gonna be filled regularly during the season. But when soccer finally takes off in America, all the teams are gonna have to build new stadiums or expand. And when we host a World Cup again, all these nice soccer specific stadiums we have aren't gonna be able to be used because the seating capacities are too small for World Cup games. We are gonna have to use the coliseum, and places like that, like when Barcelona played the Galaxy last summer. I guess small is ok for now. I guess a $20k-25k is a good size for an MLS team. Owners also need to think about the upside of having other events in the stadiums-concerts, fights, X Games (at the HDC) etc. to make money as well
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